Let's not talk about work! What Doctors Talk About With Colleagues, Part 2. In this second of two podcasts presenter Dr Helen Bintley and guest speaker Professor Jo Winning unwrap the conversations from the previous podcast, considering how these discussions might help us better understand the NHS and those who work within it. We consider what might influence the types of conversations the clinicians are having and how politics, society and personal factors play a role in who doctors say what to and why.

Presenter: Dr Helen Bintley, Senior Lecturer at Barts and The London Faculty of Medicine, Queen Mary University of London. Guest: Professor Jo Winning, Professor of Modern Literature and Critical Theory, College Dean and Director of the MA in Applied Medical Humanities at Birkbeck University of London.

Note: This episode touches on depression, burn out and bereavement. If you are affected by any of the issues discussed in this podcast, you can contact Samaritans at all hours on www.samaritans.org; or www.befrienders.org  for a range of international organisations offering support.